steel-eyed vampires of love, apparently
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With the accidental release of the Twilight spin-off Midnight Sun, I've found myself pondering vampires.
I haven't actually read Twilight, save in mockworthy excerpts around internetland. My sister bought all four books, though, and then my mother read them. This kind of weirds me out.
But the thing about Midnight Sun that's been freaking me out is how like some sort of dark mirror of Buffy/Angel it is. I'm embarrassingly otp about B/A, and looking at Edward Cullen is a very interesting exercise in self-examination. Because I think that at the end of the day, Angel and Edward - heck, throw in Rochester for a historical precedent - are cut from pretty much the same mode. Handsome, powerful, has knowledge that the heroine does not, secret darknesses, stalkerishness, possessiveness, that whole fantasy of total all-consuming love that verges on creepy and badwrong.
Except that they choose very different sorts of girls to be in love with.
I think that, in fiction at least, who you fall in love with works as a characterization point. I know that it works for me in fic - for example, a Hermione Granger who's in love with Snape is much more interesting to me than one who's in love with Ron. For one thing, Hermione's troubling totalitarian tendencies would have to be quashed before she could find herself open enough to Snape to love him. Another example - I've been watching The Sentinel with my Boy, and it's just so damned cute - I don't think I'd be remotely interested in Jim Ellison if they'd hooked him back p with Carolyn instead of letting him get so very gay with Blair. I'm not into the butch military thing, but if Ellison can be in love with a guy like Blair, there's got to be something to him after all. You get what I'm going for here.
This is actually a big part of why I can still read Jane Eyre as a love story. If Rochester had locked Bertha up in the attic and then gone and found himself some little blonde flirt who would put out, or let him feel powerful, or be the proper wife, I would find him repugnant, and I would certainly be suspicious of his diagnosis of his conveniently crazy wife. I'd assume he was just a jerk who wanted a dark, powerful woman out of his way. But instead Rochester falls in love with Jane, who is nothing special to look at, who exists in an almost constant state of rebellion against power structures in general, who has enough gumption to stand up to him. He cannot have expected to dominate her; he loves her because she is indomitable, which to me suggests that he is not the sort of man who seeks out little girls in order to feel powerful himself.
Similarly, Buffy can kick Angel's ass, and we all know it. Angel knows it. Which makes it sort of okay for the camera to fetishize the contrast of Buffy's small, frail-looking body against Angel's size and strength. We know all along that she could totally take him. She's not a victim, she's the victim empowered. The psychology of stalking isn't really there, because I don't think that Angel ever really sees himself as the more powerful. Yeah, he lurks, but it's not like she couldn't, you know, beat him to an undead pulp.
On the other hand, when Edward thinks about "Bella imagining me with my arms wrapped around her fragile body," it's made of infinite skeeve, because Bella is actually a victim. She isn't a furious rebel against injustice. She can't beat him up. She doesn't even stand up to him. And even if she did, check out wht he thinks of her anger: "We scowled at each other. It was odd how endearing her anger was. Like a furious kitten, soft and harmless, and so unaware of her own vulnerability." (quotes ganked from
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I don't see Angel ever thinking that way about B.
Oh, also, have the most scary passage I've ever read: "And then she started to walk away from me. Without thinking about my action, I reached out and caught her by the back of her rain jacket. She jerked to a stop. "Where do you think you're going?" I was almost angry that she was leaving me. I hadn't had enough time with her. She couldn't go, not yet." I mean, aaaaahhh! Right?
Bella's not Buffy. Which means that Cullen can do the same things that Angel does and end up in infinitely freakier territory. Bella's more like a Radcliffe heroine than like a Bronte girl. Also, honey, when your vampy boytoy breaks up with you "for your own good," the correct answer is not to become passively suicidal. Buffy goes to college, kicks some bad guy butt, and starts dating again - Riley Finn isn't much, but I think he's better than suicide. I think. God, I hate Riley Finn.
Also, in tangent land, rewatching the end of Buffy 3 made me frustrated with it all over again. Because to me, the breakup never actually reads as final. It reads like the Romanceland trope of the obstacle to love, which is SUPPOSED TO BE OVERCOME BY TRUE LOVE. The breakup feels like the first part of something. I don't ever feel like the writers actually say that it's over. If they would, maybe I could get over it. Right now I'm just having Season Six AU fantasies wherein Angel is the one who catches B at the end of Once More With Feeling, instead of stupid Spike.
I haven't actually read Twilight, save in mockworthy excerpts around internetland. My sister bought all four books, though, and then my mother read them. This kind of weirds me out.
But the thing about Midnight Sun that's been freaking me out is how like some sort of dark mirror of Buffy/Angel it is. I'm embarrassingly otp about B/A, and looking at Edward Cullen is a very interesting exercise in self-examination. Because I think that at the end of the day, Angel and Edward - heck, throw in Rochester for a historical precedent - are cut from pretty much the same mode. Handsome, powerful, has knowledge that the heroine does not, secret darknesses, stalkerishness, possessiveness, that whole fantasy of total all-consuming love that verges on creepy and badwrong.
Except that they choose very different sorts of girls to be in love with.
I think that, in fiction at least, who you fall in love with works as a characterization point. I know that it works for me in fic - for example, a Hermione Granger who's in love with Snape is much more interesting to me than one who's in love with Ron. For one thing, Hermione's troubling totalitarian tendencies would have to be quashed before she could find herself open enough to Snape to love him. Another example - I've been watching The Sentinel with my Boy, and it's just so damned cute - I don't think I'd be remotely interested in Jim Ellison if they'd hooked him back p with Carolyn instead of letting him get so very gay with Blair. I'm not into the butch military thing, but if Ellison can be in love with a guy like Blair, there's got to be something to him after all. You get what I'm going for here.
This is actually a big part of why I can still read Jane Eyre as a love story. If Rochester had locked Bertha up in the attic and then gone and found himself some little blonde flirt who would put out, or let him feel powerful, or be the proper wife, I would find him repugnant, and I would certainly be suspicious of his diagnosis of his conveniently crazy wife. I'd assume he was just a jerk who wanted a dark, powerful woman out of his way. But instead Rochester falls in love with Jane, who is nothing special to look at, who exists in an almost constant state of rebellion against power structures in general, who has enough gumption to stand up to him. He cannot have expected to dominate her; he loves her because she is indomitable, which to me suggests that he is not the sort of man who seeks out little girls in order to feel powerful himself.
Similarly, Buffy can kick Angel's ass, and we all know it. Angel knows it. Which makes it sort of okay for the camera to fetishize the contrast of Buffy's small, frail-looking body against Angel's size and strength. We know all along that she could totally take him. She's not a victim, she's the victim empowered. The psychology of stalking isn't really there, because I don't think that Angel ever really sees himself as the more powerful. Yeah, he lurks, but it's not like she couldn't, you know, beat him to an undead pulp.
On the other hand, when Edward thinks about "Bella imagining me with my arms wrapped around her fragile body," it's made of infinite skeeve, because Bella is actually a victim. She isn't a furious rebel against injustice. She can't beat him up. She doesn't even stand up to him. And even if she did, check out wht he thinks of her anger: "We scowled at each other. It was odd how endearing her anger was. Like a furious kitten, soft and harmless, and so unaware of her own vulnerability." (quotes ganked from
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I don't see Angel ever thinking that way about B.
Oh, also, have the most scary passage I've ever read: "And then she started to walk away from me. Without thinking about my action, I reached out and caught her by the back of her rain jacket. She jerked to a stop. "Where do you think you're going?" I was almost angry that she was leaving me. I hadn't had enough time with her. She couldn't go, not yet." I mean, aaaaahhh! Right?
Bella's not Buffy. Which means that Cullen can do the same things that Angel does and end up in infinitely freakier territory. Bella's more like a Radcliffe heroine than like a Bronte girl. Also, honey, when your vampy boytoy breaks up with you "for your own good," the correct answer is not to become passively suicidal. Buffy goes to college, kicks some bad guy butt, and starts dating again - Riley Finn isn't much, but I think he's better than suicide. I think. God, I hate Riley Finn.
Also, in tangent land, rewatching the end of Buffy 3 made me frustrated with it all over again. Because to me, the breakup never actually reads as final. It reads like the Romanceland trope of the obstacle to love, which is SUPPOSED TO BE OVERCOME BY TRUE LOVE. The breakup feels like the first part of something. I don't ever feel like the writers actually say that it's over. If they would, maybe I could get over it. Right now I'm just having Season Six AU fantasies wherein Angel is the one who catches B at the end of Once More With Feeling, instead of stupid Spike.
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Date: 2008-09-07 10:05 pm (UTC)Oh, god, wouldn't that have been SUCH a much better ending???
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Date: 2008-09-07 10:15 pm (UTC)Anyway, I've gotta believe that thinking B dead would kind of get Angel over the "I can't be with you for your own good" dealio. Fake!Death: Reuniter of Lovers, yeah?
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Date: 2008-09-07 11:53 pm (UTC)The B/A breakup was written in such a seriously halfhearted way. Some network exec decided that two shows were better than one, and decided to break up the chemistry that made that one show exciting.
I found the results to be telling. Buffy staggered somewhat, sure, (both the show and the character) but continued to be true to herself and kick ass. At the end of the day, while she missed him and was hurt by him leaving, she didn't need him at all.
Angel proved that obsessive, badwrong love is actually more harmful to the obsessed than the object of said obsession. For the breakup, he went drastically OOC, and hasn't had an IC moment since. Not being with Buffy meant being a different person. That's how strong Angel's original obsession was.
As for the reasons, I didn't buy it at all. It could be bad for Buffy? And they didn't know this from Day 1? Him going psychotic and killing her friends wasn't a CLUE? No, apparently it took Mommy to sit him down and explain it all properly. Because they've always listened to her.
I think Angel was (originally) so helpless in the face of his obsession that even if he knew it would lead to both of their deaths, he wouldn't be able to stop himself. "I'll never leave. Not even if you kill me." Not even if she kills him in self-defense. And even if some force did tear them apart, I don't think he could ever move on with his un-life, get friends, fight crime, be competent and aloof, and refer to Buffy as his "ex." That just isn't Angel. He was in alleyways sucking rats before he first saw her, and without her that's what he'd be reduced to, miserable, self-torturing, and missing her.
I haven't read Twilight, and have no interest in it, but I do agree that Angel's level of obsessive love requires a very strong girl as its focus, or else it gets a bit nauseating.
Out of curiosity, have you seen Blood+?
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Date: 2008-09-08 12:10 am (UTC)ITA on your assessment of post-breakup Angel. I can sort of see him doing the whole Batman thing, carrying out his obligation to Buffy even once she's gone, but I really can't see him moving on from her, or being so with the well-adjustedness. Have you seen the Season 3 ep "Birthday"? That AU-version of Angel is pretty much my canon one.
I also resent "for your own good" breakups, because I feel like they deny the other partner agency. Hello, Angelcakes, you're vamp with a soul. I bet Buffy's guessed that you come with baggage, honey. Let her make that choice plz.
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Date: 2008-09-08 08:04 am (UTC)Interestingly, I think it's for the same reasons you were frustrated - the writers never actually say it's over.
It seemed like they sort of cynically had their cake and eat it, so the B/A shippers got thrown this regular bone of having similiar scenes in almost every season whereupon they'd meet, kiss and confirmed they still loved each other and wanted to be together, and then return to separate lives (with other people they supposedly loved and wanted to be together with) without any resolution.
The ending of BtVS S7 especially just seemed like they'd never really decided whether they wanted them to be together or not and so they dangle this promise of maybe, while also giving the S/B fans the same. (AND going for a 'I choose me!' faux-feminist tone.) They should have had the balls to not worry about shippers of either kind or spin-offs and just gone for an ending that felt believable.
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Date: 2008-09-08 04:55 pm (UTC)(you're allowed to be into Spike, just so long as you hate stupid cornboy Riley.)
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Date: 2008-09-08 07:37 pm (UTC)How could anyone not hate Riley? I love that hilarious episode where he comes back with his equally annoying wife and it's ever so subtly beaten into the viewers head how we failed to appreciate his awesomeness. Of all my life's regrets on my deathbed, I'm sure that'll be number one!
Really, what stood between me and shipping properly in that fandom was just that I found Buffy more and more annoying as time went on. And of course, Spike's personality became bastardised, too. Really, I think Angel was the best developed of the three. I kinda ship him and Spike in AtS S5.
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Date: 2008-09-08 07:47 pm (UTC)I HATE that episode with the "oh Riley is so awesumz" and the grr and I would pay soooo much money to see Giles beat the hell out of Riley Finn, you have no idea. But then again, I really want Giles to beat the hell out of a lot of people - I pretty much love the whole Giles Smash! thing he does in defense of Buffy.
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Date: 2008-09-09 09:18 am (UTC)At that point, I didn't even like B/S any more, both were way too pathetic, but it's like, are we really supposed to prefer Riley? Even if Buffy had been having a threesome with Jonathan and Clem, she should have been prouder about that than the fact she'd ever acknowledged Riley's existence, let alone *ew* banged him.
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Date: 2008-09-08 12:58 pm (UTC)(Perfectly randomly: The most disturbing alternate reading of BtVS ever must be the reading of it as a racist epic, because it's chillingly fitting.)
This Edward sounds creepy.
The entire series ends with a reaffirmation of sorts of the true love thing for B and A, though, doesn't it? I remember I liked that - with the whole Spike thing going on, B never fell in love with him, just learned to care about him and appreciate him. She makes it pretty clear it's nothing like her and Angel. I like it, because it gives the character some consistency and means that true love isn't something that just goes away.
I keep expecting them to meet again in the Series 8 comics, but they haven't really delved into what Angel's up to these days.
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Date: 2008-09-09 06:47 am (UTC)*blink*blink* I just picked up my last two comics the other week and there was nothing about Angel being human. Anyway, there could be tons of reasons why he's not with the Buffster at the moment.
The only racist analysis of Buffy I read was in 'Buffy and Philosophy: Fear and Trembling in Sunnydale'. I'll have to look at that post.
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Date: 2008-09-09 02:29 pm (UTC)Noe I have to go reread "Fear and Trembling." It's been too long :)
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Date: 2008-09-10 05:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-08 04:59 pm (UTC)Also, Angel's human in his comics right now, and NOT WITH BUFFY, and it's hacking me off.
On the racism reading, have you seen
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Date: 2008-09-08 07:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-08 07:49 pm (UTC)(there's also the Robin Wood fancomm